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automatic
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 Posted - 05 Apr 2008 : 18:55:27
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| OMG they actually talk as though they liked it. I personally , much like many of you here; grew up with these wonderful/magical books and know in many ways how they have a tendency to reach the core of our very souls and also know personally the almost spiritual connection that they induce and how the stories are meant to be portrayed. If any you ever have the opportunity to speak with Mr. Hickman or Mrs. Weis, or if they read these forums themselves let them know that I may possibly have the connections that they are looking for with regards to funding a proper screen-play. Pm me or somthing. |
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Speedster
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USA
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 20:36:48
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After reading reviews on Amazon I thought I was adequately prepared for disapointment.. Boy was I wrong.
Like most of you I'm a 20+ year fan of these books that have been re-read by me so many times my 1st editions are practicaly crumbling to pieces.
I think the lack of character development or even staying true to the characters hurt me the most. I don't remember Tanis being such a whiny insecure wuss or Riverwind being such a Tool or Tas being so freaking annoying or Laurana such a ditzy bimbo just for starters.
This is not the first movie adaptation that has been somewhat painful to watch in comparison to the books i.e. Sahara but damn these guys pretty much got NOTHING right. 
I haven't read the positive review thread yet but I have a feeling I'm in for a laugh.
The only way to watch this movie and enjoy is to do it Mystery Science Theater 3000 style. I'm still cracking up remember my sister's comment of "Usal doesn't need the wierding modules" coming on the heels of the exclaimations over Goldmoon healing without the staff. That's how we turn a frown upside down. 
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Sirch
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 07 Apr 2008 : 20:56:24
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I'm glad I never watched this movie.
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Scalpel
Starting Member
Australia
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Posted - 08 Apr 2008 : 00:31:17
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Originally posted by Sirch
I'm glad I never watched this movie.
Mmm, how I crave for that (lost) innocence… 
I'm just hoping that time will heal these "wounds". |
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Gerard uth Mondar
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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 02:32:20
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sadly such wounds as these can never heal. that movie scarred me beyond comparison
A kender Trail song "Your one true loves a sailing ship that anchors at our pier.We lift her sails,we man her decks, We scrup her portholes clear;
And yes, our lighthouse shines for her, and yes our shores are warm, We steer her into harbor- any port in a storm.
The sailors stand upon the decks,the sailors stand in line, as thirsty as a dwarf for gold or centaurs for cheap wine.
For all the sailors love her, and flock to where shes moored each man hoping he mite go down all hands on board." |
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comeau187
Starting Member
Canada
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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 11:34:02
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I am utterly shattered. This was absolutely the worse thing I could ever imagine happening. I'll never turn my back on the books, but OMG this "animated movie" is SO BAD that my only remaining hope is that it doesn't tarnish the public image of DragonLance for all of time. I rate every aspect of this movie with the lowest score possible on any scale, because in my minds eye DragonLance was spectacular. You've left my completely dissapointed. I would have to be a far better writer then hickman to acurately describe how let down this movie made me feel. Tasslehoff never made me laugh, Raistlin never made me shiver or grin slightly. Sturm never gave me the feeling that we should all try to be better people. But it did make me cry, out of mourning, because they murdered a good story.
Death comes to us all. Our only choice is how we meet it. |
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Bringmann
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Posted - 20 Apr 2008 : 08:15:51
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well i have only seen the trailer and i think i am in for a disapointment. but i will try to keep a prositive look on the film as i am gonna see it soon. i to have read the books many many years ago...so many that i cant remeber all the stuff in them, so maybe that will be a good thing :O)
as for the LOTR vs Dragonlance....LOTR had a huge budget compared to DL, and you get what you pay for. so ofcourse LOTR looks so much bether(has nothing to do with peter jackson, only the budget).
i had hoped that they created the film in liveaction, cartoons was ment to make stuff for kids. no mather how good a story it will always be a cartoon and thefore have a childish 'look/feel'
well off to see the actual film...this was just my coments on the trailer and the whole LOTR vs Dragonlance thing... |
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angel564
New Member
Australia
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 03:25:47
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i had hoped that they created the film in liveaction, cartoons was ment to make stuff for kids. no mather how good a story it will always be a cartoon and thefore have a childish 'look/feel'
thats what i thought too when i heard about it.being animated,it doesnt really appeal to most adult audiences(i'm talking people who havent read the books btw),doesnt matter about the story,people just dont take cartoon movies seriously(with the possible exception of some anime).doesnt help that the quality of the animation doesnt look very impressive,though of course i havent watched it yet b/c it isnt out in Australia(at least i havent seen it anywhere) and i dont usually buy stuff online.that being the case i cant say anymore about it in fairness.
"A chicken with its neck wrung is different than a chicken with its head chopped off. But does it matter to the chicken?"-Tasslehoff
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axia777
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Posted - 24 Apr 2008 : 14:27:18
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I joined this forum just to post my review on this craptastic train wreck on a movie. All I have to say are two words, EPIC FAIL! They murdered one of my favorite stories of all time.
All I can hope for now is that they try again in a few years. Otherwise Hickman and Weis can go screw themselves. They made that terrible Hobbit cartoon and then made LOTR. It gives me some small level of hope. Man I am so pissed!
I am so glad I didn't buy this steaming monkey turd of a movie and just rented it. Everything was wrong and nothing was right. It was a hack job for cash if I have ever seen one.
And I dearly hope that Hickman and Weis read these forums so they feel guilty for betraying their true fans.
As for Wizards of the Coast, I will never forgive them for this crap. And I will never give them another dollar of my cash.
And check this out!! Hickman is trying to defend this movie as if it is passable! ROFL!!!
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Tentative First Steps in a Greater Journey , December 3, 2007
By Tracy R. Hickman "trhickman" (St. George, UT USA) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)
Dragonlance is a journey ... and was from the beginning.
Dragons of Autumn Twilight was and remains a first in so many ways: it was the first novel together for Margaret and me, it was the first attempt at doing a classic fantasy story for a game setting, and the first book publication for TSR. Looking back on it now, after twenty years of polishing our writing, that first book looks rough and imperfect ... but it was the first step down a road that lead us to great wonders. Flawed as it appears now ... it is deservedly beloved.
Since before the publication of Dragons of Autumn Twilight, we have seen Dragonlance in cinematic terms. We wrote the books visualizing them as movies and dreamed that one day, our visions would be realized on film.
Now, thanks to Paramount Pictures and Epic Entertainment, that dream has been realized and with it, we take our first step down the new road of Dragonlance films.
Recently, Paramount sent to Margaret and me a copy of the film on DVD so that we could preview the final cut. It is quite a thrill watching our characters come to life and hearing the familiar story begin anew. Michael Rosenbaum and Fred Tataciore bring life to the opening scene on their way to meet their friends in Solace. The voice casting in this film is phenomenal. Lucy Lawless gives Goldmoon wonderful depth and even newcomer Caroline Gelbert brings a freshness to Laurana that is breathtaking. The heart of Dragonlance has always been its characters, and the movie shines especially in two of the stories most intriguing personalities, Tasslehoff and Raistlin ... each brought vividly alive by the incredible talents of Jason Marsden and Keiffer Sutherland.
Before our family started our little preview, I presented our audience with a little challenge: to find all the scenes where I can be found in the movie - kind of a personal `Where's Waldo'.
As for finding me in the film ... well, you'll just have to see for yourself.
Does this film have flaws -- absolutely. While the soundtrack is Oscar-worthy and the voice talent is unquestionably perfect, and Will Mineou's direction and art are beautiful, the animation itself is less than I would have hoped it to be. The style is unfortunately inconsistent from shot to shot. Interestingly, the mix of CGI with traditional cell animation worked quite well ... but it was the graphic inconsistencies between cell animation segments that I found problematic. Several sequences used post animation effects over still-motion in lieu of honest animation. My son, Curtis, is a professional After Effects artist as well as a professional magician. As he pointed out, there are only so many times in a piece you can use the same expedient short-cut before the audience begins to see the trick being played. The movie has a major picture sound to which the visuals struggle to keep up.
Dragonlance fans will probably also be shocked to hear my second criticism: I believe including the entire first book in the movie was a mistake. Both the screenwriter and I argued against putting all of Dragons of Autumn Twilight in the first film ... believing that the film should portray essentially the first half of the book and finish with `Solace is burning.' But the `powers that be' adamantly required that the entire book be portrayed. George Strayton did a masterful job of accomplishing that goal and his script is undeniably brilliant - but I still believe the film's structure suffers from the enforced requirement of including the entire novel.
That being said, I am delighted with Dragons of Autumn Twilight and find myself liking it even more with each subsequent viewing. It is the first dragonlance movie and, as such, shares the heritage of tentative first steps ... but in those steps opens up a new road of films before us. `Lord of the Rings' was, after all, first a Ralph Bakshi cartoon.
Dragons of Autumn Twilight is not a destination ... it is the opening of a door and the beginning of a journey. Pop the popcorn, grab your hoopak and come with us down a new road with old friends.
He admits flaws, but still thinks it is passable. His last comment about LOTR being a cartoon first is my only hope, that one day this great series of books will make to the big screen without being destroyed. I still maintain that he is delusional. |
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Cyclonus
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Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 19:10:56
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I can't hold Tracys comments against him. I understand its possible that the characters he helped to give life to over 2 decades ago coming to life in any way shape or form could be very exciting to him. and before I saw the movie it was extremely exciting to me. I knew they were going to skimp on the film, but not to that degree, but theres a bigger picture here. Dragonlance is the only realistic sucessor to the LOTR. These two artist created a story and characters that no only revived a dying business but ended up creating a completely seperated genere in bookstores. entire bookcases are devoted to books written about this world and these characters. A live action movie must be made, eventually they will understand that Narnia, Potter, Golden Compass...etc will always fall short of the level LOTR set. But LOTR did not start with Jackson. It started with a cute cartoon and flowed into an awful psychedelic animated Fellowship of the Rings movie.
And thats the way this movie needs to be looked at. Yes it was an incredible dissapointment. Yes it was absolutly the wrong style, this needs to be live action. No this should not be the end of the dragonlance movie saga. the next project these magnificent artists need to take on is a 120 to 180 minute screen play edited by Weis and Hickman. They need to find a Jackson director and make sure to hire only talent non-big named actors.
This saga has created an entire faction of writer creating stories based in this realm and on these characters. LOTR doesnt even have that. This is a saga that in print will last generations and needs to be properly honored in live action movie, and I would also include the lost chronicles and the twins trilogy to those movies. |
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alannahpj
Starting Member
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 19:12:55
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To call this movie an abomination would be to give it a great compliment. Here's what was wrong with this movie (it's a LONG list!):
1. Voice acting. Sucked. GAAAHHHHH. What were they thinking? Flint and Caramon made me CRINGE.
2. Tika's wiggly jiggly boobs. If I was interested in porn, I'd go over to my neighbor's house.
3. Raistlin. Casted. Fireball. WHATWHATWHATWHATWHAT?
4. What's with Raistlin's chin? It changes length and shape in every other scene. It could have been used as a weapon.
5. Fizban. They ruined him!
6. What's with the old man and elf action, eh? Laurana and Elistan were never together! Wasn't that the point in DoWN? How Tanis was jealous over Elistan and Laurana told him that there was nothing going on between them? This is worse than fanfiction!
7. The draconians. Enough said.
8. Something's already been said about the crapimation (um, ooops, I mean animation. Yeah, that's it. Animation. If you can call it that.)
9. Tas. They ruined him, too.
10. Was Caramon on steroids? He had a TINY head (grotesque face!) and HUGE freaking muscles. I know he was supposed to be strong, but that made me want to puke.
11. If I wanted someone to convert me, I'd be watching Chronicles of Narnia right now.
12. The sexism. No strong female characters (at least in the book, Tika whacked a draconian over the head with a skillet and Goldmoon, although I don't like her, was strong enough). Kitiara.....WHY!?!?!? And what is it with all the females being anorexic and having gigantic knockers? Blah.
13. Theros Ironfeld.....did not look anything like how I pictured him.
14. No wicker dragon, no Everman, but there's Elistan x Laurana action? *sigh*
15. Takhisis. *BARF*
16. They ruined Bupu. And Raistlin.
17. No gully dwarves except for a 2 second scene. *sniffle, sniffle*
18. I wanted to puke when I saw the elves.
19. Ewww.....Riverwind.
20. All of the characters sucked.
I can't believe how terrible the movie was. I braced myself for it to be bad, even horrible.....but THIS garbage? I wouldn't have paid $0.10 for it, and yet, I was forced to pay $20 bucks for it.
But I don't want that $20 back. I want the TIME back.
Obviously, there was a lot more I could list as to what's wrong with the movie, but that would have taken me forever, so I just listed a few things. |
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Slorg
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 01 May 2008 : 06:29:25
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Well, the DVD makes a good frisbee, or even a coaster.
Also, you could use the DVD cover as an extra one for a random burned DVD.
If you play tabletop miniatures games, the DVD box can be converted into some low walls for cover.
If you have an air hockey table, the DVD makes a great spare puck!
For $20 you got plenty of value. You just need to be creative.
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Nathaniel
New Member
USA
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Posted - 07 May 2008 : 13:32:51
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wow... didn't notice, well anyway my only complaint is cutting the gully dwarf captial scene... aside from that Mr. Hickman said pretty much the rest
side note: when did this go from a polite discussion over a "disliked" film to this? quote:
Originally posted by Slorg
Well, the DVD makes a good frisbee, or even a coaster.
i'm sorry to use this as an example but the movie has flaws, most of which pointed out, but we've gone from a discussion to a flaming thread...
am i wrong to point this out?
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Slorg
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 08 May 2008 : 09:25:22
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Yes, you are wrong in pointing that out.
Read my review. It's in the Positive thread. Those comments are a comical attempt at making the negative reviewers see make something positive out of their situation.
It's also on the brink of hilarity that they could possibly be misinterpreted as flaming. Especially considering the fact that I am a Moderator.
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Belladelina
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 08 May 2008 : 10:26:20
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Yeah, I too did not in anyway see it as flaming. All it was was an attempt at humor to brighten a dismal situation for some. Some people like the movie. Most hate it though. So all Slorg was just trying to do was just make a few upset people smile and laugh whether he agreed with their opinions or not. No crime in that. But in your defense it is hard to tell peoples tone when you are reading on line text so things can be, and often are, misinterpreted. I assure you...out of everyone here, Slorg was not flaming the movie. Just trying to get a smile or two.
Trust me...I've seen flaming...THIS is not it. I play On-line games. Whooo boy...let me tell you something...I've seen language and flaming that would make a rapper blush. ::shakes head:: Some people have 0 class these days. But what are you gonna do?
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